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Re: Central Square

PostFri Jul 21, 2017 4:51 pm

Not sure what to make of this report, but it's big news:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... n-13367126

Jantra

Re: Central Square

PostFri Jul 21, 2017 5:05 pm

shambles of a farce
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Re: Central Square

PostFri Jul 21, 2017 5:07 pm

It's a disgrace really. I'm surprised the WAG hasn't stepped in at this point and slapped a few people in the face. This is the capital city of Wales for god's sake.
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Re: Central Square

PostFri Jul 21, 2017 5:11 pm

“The cost of land, and the cost of car parking has made the financial equation extremely difficult to resolve.”

Well, didn't they do their sums before they went into this deal? Piss-up and brewery comes to mind!

I'm not shocked by the proposed switch from Resi to Student, becuase the returns are high and they don't have to worry about parking which was never fully thought about in the original proposals! I think a hotel would be a better option though, maybe then we can avoid that ugly thing planned for Custom House?

What's the bet we might see a bus station planning for the south side of the railway station and delayed by a couple more years as Rightacres move onto the Brains site?
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Re: Central Square

PostFri Jul 21, 2017 6:37 pm

It gives me no pleasure at all to say, to those with whom I debated this matter nearly three years ago, I told you so.
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Re: Central Square

PostSat Jul 22, 2017 12:53 am

Fucking unbelievable.
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Re: Central Square

PostSat Jul 22, 2017 7:47 am

So it seems pretty likely that the statement below was published just before the elections when the council had full knowledge of the problems behind the scenes - it makes sense when you read some of the carefully worded answers.

NorthCityBoy wrote:Just had this posted by the council.



***FUNDING IS SECURED FOR THE BUS STATION***

***10 things you need to know about the new bus interchange***

1) Claims are being made that the new bus interchange funding hasn’t been secured. Is this correct?

This is NOT correct. The Council has allocated resources to fund the bus interchange element of the building on the ground floor. The developer’s preferred funding approach for the whole building will be finalised by the time the NCP car park is demolished to allow the project to move straight into the construction phase.

2) When is the NCP car park going to be demolished?

This has already started. The soft-strip has commenced and will be followed immediately by the physical demolition of the building. There will be a temporary road closure of Great Western Lane from the first week of April.

3) Claims have been made that the new design will not be able to accommodate any future modifications of Cardiff Central Train Station and the Metro project. Is this true?

NO, this isn’t true. The design will be able to accommodate any future plans for Cardiff Central Train Station and the METRO. This was made clear in the recent planning application for the new interchange.

4) So does the new bus interchange have planning permission?

Yes – the new facility has full planning permission subject to the completion of the section 106 agreement.

5) So is the Council responsible for delivering the entire building – the bus interchange and what is proposed to go above it?

No – currently the Council will only be financing and be responsible for the bus interchange on ground level. The development proposed to go above the bus interchange is the responsibility of the developer – Rightacres Property Ltd.

6) Claims have been made that now that the bus station has been demolished, there will not be a replacement. Is this true?

Planning permission has been granted for a new bus station and preparatory work for the build has already begun with the demolition of Marland House, and works have also now begun on demolishing the NCP Car Park. The original terminus building was demolished in 2008. Plans to redevelop the bus station at the time failed to materialise. The Council then developed a new proposal that sought to regenerate the whole of the area in front of Cardiff Central Station to create a new modern gateway to the city. This began with a comprehensive land assembly strategy which enabled the Council to a take full control of the area. In August 2015, the old bus station closed to enable the start of the Central Square development. As part of this, plans for a new bus interchange on the Marland House/NCP car park site were brought forward and are in the process of being delivered today.

7) What facilities will be provided at the new bus interchange?

The new bus interchange will have modern facilities which will allow people to wait for their bus in comfortable surroundings. There will be places to eat and drink as well as toilet facilities. The new facility will be a 24-hour operation with CCTV installed.

The facility will also have a cycle hub, so people are able to travel by bike to the bus station, safely lock up their bike and interchange with travel by bus or train.

A tourist information and travel information centre will also be built in the new facility – which is in close proximity to the bus interchange and Cardiff Central Train Station.

8) Was there public consultation on the new bus interchange?

Yes – there has been extensive public consultation and engagement on this development. This started when the scheme was announced and prior to the bus station closing in August 2015 when an information caravan toured the city for a month.

Further consultation then took place by the Developer and the Council when the planning permission was submitted and the feedback was fed back into the design for the new development.

9) Claims have been made that travel by coach will be excluded from the new facility. Is this true?

NO, this is not true. People will be able to travel by coach from the new facility 24 hours a day. People will be able to wait for their coach in comfortable secure surroundings which will be monitored by CCTV.

10) Claims have been made that the new bus interchange is too small. Is this true?

NO, this is not true. The bus station will not be too small. The old bus station accommodated 72 local, regional and national bus departures per hour, using a maximum capacity of 19 out of 22 stands. Analysis of the new bus interchange model shows that it is possible to accommodate 112 departures from 14 stands. The new facility will use state-of-the-art technology and real time information displays.
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Re: Central Square

PostSat Jul 22, 2017 7:53 am

I really doubt it will take long for this to be resolved and a new planning app submitted, probably with a taller but not dissimilar building... this stuff is frustrating but happens on some schemes although I agree it seems strange that planning was received if the applicant knew it was unviable - they would have needed to submit a detailed viability assessment in relation to affordable housing provison - the scheme was rushed and I am also not convinced they the previous scheme had any opportunity for metro links as suggested

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Re: Central Square

PostSat Jul 22, 2017 8:44 am

Maybe this is paul McCarthy forcing a rethink on the quality of the whole development. He certainly wasn't happy with the value engineering going on and he knowsonly too well that it will detract from what has been thus far entirely different level of development for Cardiff.
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Re: Central Square

PostSat Jul 22, 2017 8:59 am

Is it me or does the some of the cladding around the BBC building look cheap and nasty?

When you walk out of central station the first thing that hits you is the white "plasticy" service core.
Are they going to "logo" it up in any way?
Maybe John Humpreys could sponsor it?



My enthusiasm for the scheme has just taken a knock, when the words Student Accommodation got mentioned.

A report to be presented to Cardiff's cabinet next Thursday said Rightacres want to change the private flats to more student :o accommodation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-40687128



Next there will be a planning application for Cardiff Airport Terminal 2 comprising mostly of Student Accommodation, shops, hotel and one airline check in desk!
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