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New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostTue Nov 21, 2017 11:29 am

I don't know why some posters are so obsessed with comparing Cardiff to Bristol or Manchester or wheerever - all of which have a selection of nice bits and a selection of bad bits. I personally think Cardiff is shaping up nicely with a number of areas developing their own unique feel. The relatively high-rise construction coming up around Central station is turning this previously desolate area into a modern CBD, while the Bute Park-Castle-Cathays Park area is a location that most cities can only dream about and always seems to be full of tourists. The Castle Quarter/Hayes area needs a bit of tidying up and enforcing into a conservation area (with a ban on garish storefronts - especially bookmakers and discount stores) - and once the Rapport/Motorpoint area is demolished and rebuilt I think we will have a city centre that we can be proud of, and which will be head and shoulders above most medium sized British cities.

Seriously - has anyone ever visited Sheffield, Leicester, Southampton, Hull, Middlesborough, etc ???? The tourists aren't exactly flooding in!
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PostTue Nov 21, 2017 11:33 am

Urbano you should stick around and illustrate the testicular foirtitude that we know you are capable of. If nothing else you've stimulated some debate regarding tall buildings and roused DaiB from his exile of late. Even Jantra has upped his game in terms of content which is no mean feat (sorry Jantra, couldn't resist :D )

I happen to agree with you in terms of the quality of tall buildings and the general note of caution that you sound. Have we learnt nothing from Ty Pont Haearn I ask. Where we differ is the comparison to Edinburgh, Bristol etc which is as far off the mark as comparisons to New York and Dubai. Also I can't get my head around the general proposition that there is a correlation between low rise buildings and affluence. Where I also agree with you is that we should be building a city of scale and density not isolated statement buildings that have no context.


Thank you very much Karl. Very kind of you.I did think things were getting very bogged down indeed . Talking about testicular fortitude (!) I was concerned that it was all becoming a bit of an adolescent penis- like litany .....my tower's bigger than your tower.....

It was rather the implication that there is a connection between high rise buildings and affluence which I was challenging; if these towers contained serious profitable businesses then arguably yes, but since they will just be crammed with spotty drunk plagiarising adolescents I hardly think so; for exactly the same reason, I would not have thought "exciting" would be the first word to spring to mind. Even resi doesn't fit exciting; no one has yet been stupid or dishonest enough to claim that tower in Swansea has made that city "exciting".
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostTue Nov 21, 2017 11:51 am

Msmurf wrote:I don't know why some posters are so obsessed with comparing Cardiff to Bristol or Manchester or wheerever - all of which have a selection of nice bits and a selection of bad bits. I personally think Cardiff is shaping up nicely with a number of areas developing their own unique feel. The relatively high-rise construction coming up around Central station is turning this previously desolate area into a modern CBD, while the Bute Park-Castle-Cathays Park area is a location that most cities can only dream about and always seems to be full of tourists. The Castle Quarter/Hayes area needs a bit of tidying up and enforcing into a conservation area (with a ban on garish storefronts - especially bookmakers and discount stores) - and once the Rapport/Motorpoint area is demolished and rebuilt I think we will have a city centre that we can be proud of, and which will be head and shoulders above most medium sized British cities.

Seriously - has anyone ever visited Sheffield, Leicester, Southampton, Hull, Middlesborough, etc ???? The tourists aren't exactly flooding in!


I know Sheffield, Hull and Middlesbrough quite well and the first two have very nice city centres. Hull has a very quaint old town and is this year’s UK City of Culture. It has very impressive Victorian architecture too. Sheffield is a much bigger city than Cardiff is and feels more grand. Parts of the city centre are stunning - the area between the City Hall and Town Hall especially so. Middlesbrough - again, some very decent Victorian architecture but overall not much of a wow factor.

All the same Cardiff - compact, flat, sunny, youthful - has a more pleasant city centre (IMHO) than any of the above cities. I don’t know about Leicester or Southampton but I’d imagine that they have their merits.
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostTue Nov 21, 2017 5:28 pm

With the hoardings being put up it's surprising how big the site is compared to the original hoarded area, mind you given the size of this development I'm sure they will need every sq foot of space! Anyway it's moving in the right direction - piling soon presumably.

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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostTue Nov 21, 2017 5:39 pm

Looking forward to this one.
All about the height.
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostTue Nov 21, 2017 5:56 pm

AlwaysBeBlue wrote:Looking forward to this one.
All about the height.


oh it's always about the height - how tiresome!! ;)

Of course it is! and I'm over the moon that this tower is going to be built in Cardiff - from the renders the quality looks pretty good, and I for one will thoroughly enjoy progress on this development. I noticed that carillion are packing up from railway work in John St - I'd love to see that 100m Development proposed there get underway! Yes for us high-rise lovers this city is looking up!!
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostTue Nov 21, 2017 6:15 pm

New to the forum. I to am intrested in the John street building. Am I right that they have asked to add a few more floors to this building for a hotel?
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostTue Nov 21, 2017 6:36 pm

Cardiffbay wrote:New to the forum. I to am intrested in the John street building. Am I right that they have asked to add a few more floors to this building for a hotel?


Hi Cardiff Bay and Welcome!! Originally the building that was proposed for John St was to be all offices (except for ground level) However the new proposal is to split the main tower between offices and a hotel with a rooftop garden (on one of the wings not the actual tower). The original proposal had the structure at 87m and the new one 100m but the actual planning app for the new proposal has not yet been submitted.
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostTue Nov 21, 2017 6:40 pm

Thanks for the warm welcome. The race to the sky is very interesting in Cardiff at the moment. I know it’s not everybody’s cup of tea but I’m really looking forward to Cardiff breaking the 30 story barrier (and 40 with hope street)
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostTue Nov 21, 2017 6:45 pm

ta very much
reading what people say it sounds like everyone is an expert here dunno why some are upset by people asking what height things will be anyhow looking forward to cardiff been the dallas of south wales
when will this super tower be finished i work town and see the sky line growing by the day
cheers
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