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Re: Cardiff airport

PostTue May 01, 2018 11:36 pm

I was on the plane. There was some 280 seats available. Business class was full (no upgrades) and economy sold majority. Odd empty seat here and there. Not full but decent I'd say.
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Re: Cardiff airport

PostWed May 02, 2018 12:29 am

Good to hear it was busy, there's every reason for it to be successful. It's the only flight to the Middle East west of Heathrow and has a massive catchment area. Let's hope it attracts more airlines to CWL.
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Re: Cardiff airport

PostWed May 02, 2018 9:28 am

They have done a great job of marketing this route. Something Flybe needs to learn from. And if this proves successful, I don't see why an airline like Delta can't be convinced to set up shop to a US hub like Atlanta. This would had never happened without Welsh Government owning the airport, for once they did something worthwhile.
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Re: Cardiff airport

PostWed May 02, 2018 11:38 am

Lewisbeecham wrote:They have done a great job of marketing this route. Something Flybe needs to learn from. And if this proves successful, I don't see why an airline like Delta can't be convinced to set up shop to a US hub like Atlanta. This would had never happened without Welsh Government owning the airport, for once they did something worthwhile.


Exactly.

I just hope the GCC political situation will improve, the market for those doing business in Saudi, the UAE, Oman etc. and travelling regularly to the region isn't insignificant. On top of that there's ex-pats like me who have visitors or travel home to visit our families. There's lots of people from South Wales here in the UAE that could benefit from it, and plenty that come here on holidays for long weekends and longer, but are restricted to KLM or direct options via Heathrow, Birmingham etc,. More options into Cardiff would be good, and let's hope over the next year or two it resolves itself.
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Re: Cardiff airport

PostThu May 03, 2018 9:34 pm

There was an interesting article in the print edition of The Times today. It may be on the website but, as I don't subscribe, I don't know. Quick sum-up.

1. The article claims that QA will more or less break even on the route if business class and freight are full. Economy passengers are profit. They envisage freight Cardiff>Qatar will be fully loaded because of fresh lamb exports.

2. Cardiff is preferable to Bristol for long haul in QA view because it has a greater captive catchment area. Bristol would be competing more with Heathrow and Brum for long haul passengers. I find this interesting as for short haul it's always claimed that Bristol has the larger catchment. I guess it's a sign that the two markets are very different - hence the Welsh Government's eagerness to set APD for long haul services

3. 'Rumours' that QA want to use Cardiff as a hub for North American destinations and may want to buy a 50% share of the airport.
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Re: Cardiff airport

PostThu May 03, 2018 11:06 pm

This route has had ample of media attention over the last few days, and it seems to me more now than this route goes way beyond passenger numbers. The very first flight (that I was on) was jam packed with freight, and from speaking to people at the launch, by just filling the plane with freight and selling all the buisness class seats, this route is breaking even. Economy is simply profit. And with 220 seats per day, it's a pretty sweet deal for Qatar.

As a country with so much money, who are now investing their money overseas, they obviously see Wales as an investable interest with plans to open with a warehouse at the airport to support the substantial freight, and a 5* hotel in Cardiff city centre.

The CEO said at the press event that they currently have no interest in purchasing the airport but that he cannot speak on behalf of their sovereign wealth fund.

It's interesting, Qatar chose Cardiff over Bristol because there's a larger catchment area and because it's on the "right side of the river Severn", i.e. further away from Heathrow and Birmingham. Im sure that it's fully owned by Welsh Government also helped too.

Could Qatar one day purchase shares in this Airport and turn it into a US bound hub? Sounds almost too good to be true, but if the data suggests it's viable (and seemingly there's strong data available), who knows? I'm sure the offer will be on the table.

One things for sure, Welsh Government now need to invest in a direct access route from the M4. It's absolutely crucial. And however possible, a rail link is needed that's not the Roose train station. Ideally a tram as part of the new South Wales Metro.
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