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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local ... n-12666392

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A link to a petition calling for the assembly to adopt the agent of change principal and protect live music venues in Wales.


https://www.assembly.wales/en/gethome/e ... ionID=1165

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Difference between Cardiff and Bristol right there. In Bristol its the other way around - Culutral centres like live music venues (NOT Pryzm/walkabout etc) like Lakota and Motion in counter-culture areas such as Stokes Croft are highly protected.

I really hope Cardiff Council dont give in to the bigger party here. Clwb Ifor Bach is a great place.

WOW - an area with character and further great potential that Cardiff city centre can offer is under threat!! That's suicide isn't it! The council should be encouraging more music venues at this location if anything



Now if the above proposal goes ahead then future residents should have to sign a declaration that they will not object to noise levels at certain times to an agreed level - or look for somewhere else to live!! (is that the deal at the brewery quarter? )

The owners of clwb have been trying to buy this building for many years but the price was too high. This is an absolutely ridiculous scheme. If I were to put my tinfoil hat on I'd say that the Labour council don't like clwb because it is run, ultimately, by someone who is a very well-respected elder statesman in Plaid Cymru.

Ignoring noise and music, looking at the northern facade, most of it has excellent views over the castle, what a wasted opportunity? (i believe the building with trees in it on the below pic)

CDF_021016_CF_CardiffHalfMarathon_011 by Run 4 Wales, on Flickr

I like the proposal although I agree with Paul that future residents shouldn't have the right to complain. It's a city centre location right in the middle of things

paul cardiffwalesmap wrote:Now if the above proposal goes ahead then future residents should have to sign a declaration that they will not object to noise levels at certain times to an agreed level - or look for somewhere else to live!! (is that the deal at the brewery quarter? )

I'm not sure whether such an agreement would be enforceable. During night time hours (between 11pm and 7am) there are permitted noise levels which are considerably lower than day time hours. You cannot take away someone's right to complain if the noise exceeds what is permitted.

The local authority has to investigate each complaint and take action against an individual or premises that is causing the nuisance.

Now, where they could come unstuck is, when there are multiple venues such as Womanby Street, how does one prove which venue is causing the excess noise? I'm not sure how they would go about collectively serving a noise abatement notice - I'm not sure it's even possible. I believe they'd have to treat each venue individually, which would be a nightmare from the council's perspective.

I don't know enough about the Agent of Change rules in England. Do these just mandate that the developer bringing in a residential (or hotel) use to an area that has existing noisy occupiers (such as nightclubs) has to pay for mitigation measures that are deemed necessary? In that case, if those measures aren't sufficient, can the noisy occupier still be forced to close (even if they have to be compensated by the 'agent of change')? Or does it give some sort of 'immunity' to the noisy occupier as they were there first?

In the light of the above this all looks pretty precarious for the live music future of Womanby Street, so I'll have to withdraw my approval of this development! Makes me wonder how these issues are addressed in other citys?