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Re: Herbert Street - student accommodation

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Re: Herbert Street - student accommodation

PostMon Aug 28, 2017 4:38 pm

Don't know what all the fuss is about. The crane is the same height if not a little taller than the one at Bridge Street. This tower will be at least 80m tall. Maybe the fact it's stood by two buildings of similar height is making it seem shorter to some people?
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PostThu Aug 31, 2017 4:28 pm

Reliably informed today... The tower will be as high as we hoped - around 78metres - the crane is to the one side of it, so it will end up about same height as cabin. Also, and I'm loving this! as from next weds they are planning for the central core to rise at the speed of one floor a day - yes that's a day not a week!! I had to confirm that I'd got that intention correct at the end of our chat coz that's spectacular. I'm watching that space!! Also mentioned was perhaps very 'tall intentions' for that final plot behind No.4 cap quarter.
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Re: Herbert Street - student accommodation

PostThu Aug 31, 2017 5:09 pm

So this will be joint 3rd highest building or 4th highest structure in Cardiff
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PostThu Aug 31, 2017 5:24 pm

AlwaysBeBlue wrote:So this will be joint 3rd highest building or 4th highest structure in Cardiff


Yes I think it's safe to say that now. Mind you hopefully a fair few possibilities of knocking it out of the 'top 5' within the next 2-3 years. Apparently a fair bit going on behind scenes regarding the Brains brewery plot - it'll be great to get some plans on that soon. But as with all of these proposed developments until a tower crane is on site I try not to get to carried away. That is why I'm pleased that we currently know that we are going to have two significant towers (ok at a Cardiff level) on our skyline in a year or so with this one and bridge st.
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Re: Herbert Street - student accommodation

PostThu Aug 31, 2017 7:17 pm

So in about a month we can expect a 78m core on the horizon, that'll be an odd feature to the skyline especially as the rest of the building won't be finished until summer 2019. Exciting though.
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Re: Herbert Street - student accommodation

PostThu Aug 31, 2017 8:33 pm

One floor a day for the core!#$@#/%_&÷=€&$$?

I do not believe it the concrete wouldn't have set nor would they have time to raise the shuttering in that time.
Why raise it at that speed unless the rest is a steel frame jobie and students are moving in by Christmas 2017
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Re: Herbert Street - student accommodation

PostThu Aug 31, 2017 9:13 pm

Zach wrote:One floor a day for the core!#$@#/%_&÷=€&$$?

I do not believe it the concrete wouldn't have set nor would they have time to raise the shuttering in that time.
Why raise it at that speed unless the rest is a steel frame jobie and students are moving in by Christmas 2017



Granted it does sound like a tall order (pardon the pun) but I got this from somebody who I've spoken to before and what he told me then proved to be bang on. Personally I have no reason not to believe that this is the intention - but regardless we won't have to wait very long to find out. Can anybody who has greater knowledge of construction out there dismiss this as a method/possibility I wonder?
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Re: Herbert Street - student accommodation

PostThu Aug 31, 2017 9:39 pm

paul cardiffwalesmap wrote:
Zach wrote:One floor a day for the core!#$@#/%_&÷=€&$$?

I do not believe it the concrete wouldn't have set nor would they have time to raise the shuttering in that time.
Why raise it at that speed unless the rest is a steel frame jobie and students are moving in by Christmas 2017



Granted it does sound like a tall order (pardon the pun) but I got this from somebody who I've spoken to before and what he told me then proved to be bang on. Personally I have no reason not to believe that this is the intention - but regardless we won't have to wait very long to find out. Can anybody who has greater knowledge of construction out there dismiss this as a method/possibility I wonder?


It's not impossible, you can get special concrete mixes which give high early-strength concrete, around 30-45MPa within 24-48 hours. That's pretty good considering most contractors don't like it when you specify concete mixed hight than a Grade C50/60 and you don't usually require the full strength (28-day value) in the first few days as the loads are relatively small.

I'd question why they'd want to go down this route for Herbert St. Construction methods like this are usually reserved for places like London, New York etc. where speed of construction is everything. What's the point of pushing that hard in Cardiff unless they've signed a contract to hand over the building in a really short space of time?

But getting the core finished sooner is alway an advantage, even in an all-concrete building because it means that you can get started sooner on your lifts and M+E kit. That means that first fixings can be done earlier and you have better vertical transport up and down the building.
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Re: Herbert Street - student accommodation

PostFri Sep 01, 2017 3:56 pm

It is normal construction to achieve 3 floors every two weeks - you can go faster on a core with slip forming, but maybe two floors a week is a practical limit...?
Very strong mixes dont lend themselves to slipforming - but maybe using jump forms they could go faster but it sounds an expensive solution for student accomadation....Most of them wouldn't notice if the building wasn't finished!
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