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Re: Plasdwr - 6,000 Homes

PostWed Jan 22, 2020 12:20 pm

Frank wrote:Interesting article on the BBC website:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51179688

What is the purpose of the modern build designs? Is it really so great for cars? I don't see how all the bendy roads make it that easy and the place seems designed for people to get lost in.


I think developers use bendy roads for two reasons:
1) Is to slow traffic down in order to make it seem quieter and safer. Long straight roads to encourage more speedy driving.
2) To give a sense of place/enclosure. Having roads that bend means that views are closed off - and people tend to like a mix of open and closed views.

There can be a trade off with making new estates as walkable as possible. But its not as bad as it was in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s when cul-de-sacs were very much the norm. Just compare the road layout of say Danescourt (80s) with Radyr Sidings (late 2000s, early 2010s). The latter has roads that bend back and forth a little bit, but none of the cul-de sacs - which in Danescourt mean homes can be hundreds of metres apart on foot, even if they are adjacent as the crow flies. Or compare the Broadlands estate (early 2000s) with the Coity estate (2010s) in Bridgend and you see a similar thing.

So my view is things have improved a fair bit - even if they could go further. I think some academic urban planners, architects, etc., are a bit disconnected from the real world as well.
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Re: Plasdwr - 6,000 Homes

PostWed Jan 22, 2020 3:19 pm

I think you have missed a key point - developers are trying to maximise profits by maximising population density while minimising infrastructure costs. IMHO this would be better served by building low-rise appartment blocks in brownfield areas served by public transport rather than tiny starter homes on greenfield commuter estates.
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Re: Plasdwr - 6,000 Homes

PostWed Jan 22, 2020 4:48 pm

Seriously how hard is it the Cardiff Council to look at a map of inner cardiff, or any other popular inner city area in Europe or even the US. What do they have in common? Walkable streets ! The designs of the new hosing areas around cardiff are absolute wank. Full of deadends and no through roads. No wonder there are no local shops anymore.
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Re: Plasdwr - 6,000 Homes

PostWed Jan 22, 2020 7:41 pm

cardiffian wrote:Seriously how hard is it the Cardiff Council to look at a map of inner cardiff, or any other popular inner city area in Europe or even the US. What do they have in common? Walkable streets ! The designs of the new hosing areas around cardiff are absolute wank. Full of deadends and no through roads. No wonder there are no local shops anymore.


As I said, I think there has been progress on this when you look at the newest estates. Although some of these (like Radyr sidings) are in pockets of land that its very hard to have lots of external linkages to/from, within them they are avoiding the deadends that were so ubiquitous in the 80s, 90s and early 2000s.
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Re: Plasdwr - 6,000 Homes

PostWed Jan 22, 2020 7:44 pm

Msmurf wrote:I think you have missed a key point - developers are trying to maximise profits by maximising population density while minimising infrastructure costs. IMHO this would be better served by building low-rise appartment blocks in brownfield areas served by public transport rather than tiny starter homes on greenfield commuter estates.


If this was the case, surely the profit-hungry developers would be doing it, especially given brownfield brownie points.
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