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Re: Cardiff 15000 arena

PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:04 pm
by Cwlcymro
I'd also imagine that it makes more sense to put the new red dragon center where the current one is so that the restaurant and retail that will go there gets prime spot facing Lloyd George and the Bay whilst the arena itself is fine being a bit more hidden where County Hall is because it's going to dominate in its own right (and doesn't need passing trade like the new red dragon will)

Re: Cardiff 15000 arena

PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:29 pm
by Simon_SW17
Hopefully with an active frontage rather than the dreadful back wall that currently faces the bay!

Re: Cardiff 15000 arena

PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:05 pm
by DavidH71
So is the Red Dragon to be kept, or modified, or demolished? I was hoping we would see rid of it; the interior is dated and the exterior is just a glorified tin shed.

Re: Cardiff 15000 arena

PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:57 am
by Cwlcymro
DavidH71 wrote:So is the Red Dragon to be kept, or modified, or demolished? I was hoping we would see rid of it; the interior is dated and the exterior is just a glorified tin shed.


No set plans yet, Cardiff Council are looking for developers, but it sounds like they would want to demolish it and start again.

Re: Cardiff 15000 arena

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:43 am
by Simon_SW17
Hopefully they'll start again, it's totally unsuitable for it's location, it's an out of town development slap bang in the middle of the Bay.

Re: Cardiff 15000 arena

PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:38 pm
by Cardiffbay
I think the redragon centre needs flipping so the front is onto Lloyd’s George ave. The council building is torn down and replaced by the new arena with a multi story car park and the office moved into in the centre. The redragon car park changed into a retail area and a bridge added to the pier head car park linking it to the new redragon and arena.

Re: Cardiff 15000 arena

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:22 pm
by Msmurf
The reason the Red Dragon Centre is the way it is - is that it was effectively an out of town centre when it was built...

Today, it needs a commercial frontage facing the bay, and this should wrap around the Arena so the two are complimentary not separate. The main entrance to Arena should be on Lloyd George Avenue but flanked by bars, restaurants etc. The main Arena itself can then be built across existing RDC and council car park....with Council offices replaced by appartments. The existing RDC car park should then contain the cinema complex, offices and MS Car Park...

Meanwhile Council Offices should go to Callaghan Square..

Re: Cardiff 15000 arena

PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:11 pm
by Lewisbeecham
Msmurf wrote:The reason the Red Dragon Centre is the way it is - is that it was effectively an out of town centre when it was built...

Today, it needs a commercial frontage facing the bay, and this should wrap around the Arena so the two are complimentary not separate. The main entrance to Arena should be on Lloyd George Avenue but flanked by bars, restaurants etc. The main Arena itself can then be built across existing RDC and council car park....with Council offices replaced by appartments. The existing RDC car park should then contain the cinema complex, offices and MS Car Park...

Meanwhile Council Offices should go to Callaghan Square..


Echo this 100%.

Add the multistory towards the back end of the RDC car park. Potentially a bridge from the pierhead carpark. Add in the new train station scheduled by 2021 and the potential of the completed eastern link road and this is pretty much perfect on paper.

Re: Cardiff 15000 arena

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:52 pm
by Simon__200
Msmurf wrote:The reason the Red Dragon Centre is the way it is - is that it was effectively an out of town centre when it was built...

Today, it needs a commercial frontage facing the bay, and this should wrap around the Arena so the two are complimentary not separate. The main entrance to Arena should be on Lloyd George Avenue but flanked by bars, restaurants etc. The main Arena itself can then be built across existing RDC and council car park....with Council offices replaced by appartments. The existing RDC car park should then contain the cinema complex, offices and MS Car Park...

Meanwhile Council Offices should go to Callaghan Square..

MS Car Park? No disrespect to you (your posts are always well-researched) but I always seem to have a massive blind spot when it comes to abbreviations. I've re-read your post about 10 times now and cannot work out what this stands for.

Re: Cardiff 15000 arena

PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:47 am
by Msmurf
Multi Storey...sorry