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lucky

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Penarth planning

PostTue Oct 21, 2014 10:19 am

Nimbyism, snobbery or genuine local concern? The article seems to imply that things are not right in the state of Penarth.

http://penarthnews.wordpress.com/2014/1 ... -butts-in/

Jantra

Re: Penarth planning

PostTue Oct 21, 2014 11:43 am

it is another reason why the concept of the state should be dismantled. if the people do not want a prezzo, they will not eat there, it really is that straightforward. it is another example in a very long line of examples of where people with power shit on people without power.

I will boycott Bar44 as a result and never eat there again, I will also make these feelings known on all social media. Penarth does not need more charity shops, it needs more of these types of eateries. Yet again the denizens of Penarth fear change - they did it with the original DeCourcy development of the front.

You would not believe how difficult it is to get anything done in Penarth with the BID taking an age to get off the ground. it is a farce of a shambles and for the council to reject this when the people clearly want it smacks of corruption. It is time VoGC was disbanded as they, like most other local authorities in Wales, are no longer fit for purpose and no longer serve the people but themselves.
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Re: Penarth planning

PostTue Oct 21, 2014 12:31 pm

There are suggestions that Cardiff and Vale of Glamorgan councils should merge, which generally I think is a good idea, but not if this lot get their hands on more planning processes. Cardiff is risk-averse enough as it is!

Mind you, the idea that Prezzo is "quality dining" did give me the giggles. But it's certainly genteel enough for the net curtain brigade of Penarth.
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Re: Penarth planning

PostTue Oct 21, 2014 1:01 pm

I wonder if Bar 44 had to offer Cllr Lis Burnett a free night out to favourite/promote this tweet in June:
https://twitter.com/tapaspenarth/status/475604143663742976

I expect it was free dining for a year to call-in a competitor's planning application ;)

Personally i would love to see Prezzo in Penarth, and would be interested to know what Bar 44 have objected too.
Surely most businesses would put in objections of competitors applying for planning in the same vicinity as them. You would think Bar 44 would need to raise a relevant concern about the building changes for it to be considered by councillors, rather than simply suggesting it could affect the foot fall past their own doors.
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Re: Penarth planning

PostTue Oct 21, 2014 2:57 pm

I would have thought the presence of more dining options would drive footfall. If the area is known as a dining location that attracts people for that purpose. A concentration of restaurants doesn't seem to have harmed Mermaid Quay for example.

Also are Tapas 44 so unsure of their own ability to attract punters that they are quivering at the prospect of a bog standard chain opening up nearby?

Jantra

Re: Penarth planning

PostTue Oct 21, 2014 3:24 pm

Karl wrote:I would have thought the presence of more dining options would drive footfall. If the area is known as a dining location that attracts people for that purpose. A concentration of restaurants doesn't seem to have harmed Mermaid Quay for example.

Also are Tapas 44 so unsure of their own ability to attract punters that they are quivering at the prospect of a bog standard chain opening up nearby?


exactly this. its also worth noting that Bar44 aren't even in direct competition to Prezzo. Penarth has some great eateries now, a real diverse mix: sommerins, pier 64, pier and pebble, the fig tree, mint and mustard, the busy teapot, the custom house, sugo and hopefully a prezzo. something for everyone really.
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Re: Penarth planning

PostTue Oct 21, 2014 10:01 pm

What a confused article. It suggests thst the town council have decision making powers in line with the county council. They simply appear to have a planning 'sub committee' and mske comment on applications like any other parish/community council.

I assume that thr councillor who 'called in' the application is a county councillor who also serves on thr town council?

The only matters the planning deoartment can consider are ones relating to the use of the building and any sssociated impacts. The occupier/operator is irrelevant.
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Re: Penarth planning

PostTue Oct 21, 2014 10:10 pm

Also, who is that cllr to dictate where a business may open within a town centre. There is no such power.

Jantra

Re: Penarth planning

PostWed Oct 22, 2014 10:45 am

redragon wrote:Also, who is that cllr to dictate where a business may open within a town centre. There is no such power.


isn't that the outcome of the planning process. if a business wants to open up but the local authority decide they want a different type of business then lo and behold planning is refused.

I do find it odd that the UK has allowed our planning system to evolve such that for such a small building you need to beg the state to change its use. Prezzo aren't looking at serving nuclear waste as a main course and as far as I'm aware their signage doesn't kill crops within 50 miles so yet again the hammer to crack a walnut approach favoured by the UK state ensures the local planning officers are overworked with trivial applications. This sort of development should really be left to the local people to decide - and they will do that by either using or avoiding the place.

it is just more control freakery from statists, socialists and Welsh Labour. Fascists every single one of them
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Re: Penarth planning

PostWed Oct 22, 2014 1:44 pm

As I said, the LA doesn't have a say in the company or business opening, they simply consider the use. Most town centres have parades/streets that are designated as primary or secondary etc. In primary/core areas, the uses tend to be more focused on retail/professional/restaurant uses but this is all in the particular local policy. The policy is based on research and consultation and isn't made up. The main reason for the requirement of permission is to ensure that the proper use doesn't damage, for instance, the retail offer in the town centre or to allow an operator to change a shop unit into a takeaway, with all the associated late night opening and flue discharge into the neighbours flat that may occur.

Let's not confuse the staff (planning officers) abd the elected cllrs, the later who are meant to represent the people, but usually have a personal or political agenda.

This process is the same across the UK, I'm afraid.
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