Central Square

Who's being threatening or abusive? Jantra implied that I was boring and that my home life was dull.

Man up you soppy tart. I was inferring your Internet persona was always whinging and moaning. For all I know in real life you could look like Marlon Brando, hold court like jimmy Carr and drink like George Best.

"My concern is that if the bus station is knocked down and no replacement built then that will be a spectacular own-goal by Cardiff council"

Which is in effect the second "assumption" I listed. You say you don't trust the council to build a replacement station. I've said thats a possibility - but one I think has a low probability attached to it. And, one where the risks associated with not progressing with the plan are at least as high (Central Square remaining an eyesore, lack of development, a bus station that isn't fit for purpose, etc).

Now we can disagree on those probabilities and on the cost-benefits. We clearly do. We can disagree on the special position your planning degree confers on you to talk about this. We do. That to me is all "fair game" in forums such as these.

What we don't need in civilised debate and discussion though is threats and attempted bullying and gagging. You might think its all fair game and very clever of you. But if its some kind of trolling or a wind-up, its not funny. If its for real, its sinister and reflects very poorly on you.

The issue is that this forum developed into a community where people met up - to discuss developments and economic issues in Cardiff. Of course, if people meet, if people become a community - their real identities become known. Now we have a situation where new people join, don't respect that, and instead try to threaten people while hiding behind their own anonymity. Theres just something depressing about that.

A competition entry was launched for Marland House and NCP carpark area. Top UK firms were invited to compete (Foster + Partners, Gensler, BDP, Wilkinson Eyre and one or two more). The design brief from RightAcres (and I imagine with much input from Cardiff Council) was I am told very specific. The design brief DID include the bus station. The design entries were submitted around a month ago, so I guess we will just have to wait for the winning entry to be publicised.

Maybe this will help

http://www.cardiffnewsroom.co.uk/index. ... -v-fiction

I have no doubt that the station will be big enough. I think people are caught up on the fact that the area taken up by the new bus station is smaller than the current one, which isn't the full picture. The current station is very wasteful with its stands and has very few services running from the same stand. I currently live in Swansea during the week and its bus station is probably one of its few good points. It takes up a fraction of the space that Cardiff's station takes and runs all routes very efficiently, and buses rarely get queued up. The problem with Cardiff's current station is its nonsensical "circuit" system which means that buses have to wait for spaces to be freed up even though there's only a few buses there. I really do believe that the council will provide a transport hub more than capable of the public's requirements.

I'm also glad that the council has been pro-active in responding to the controversy with that article. Perhaps Wales Online should write an article publicising this statement rather than the blatant scaremongering they have been writing recently.

"My concern is that if the bus station is knocked down and no replacement built then that will be a spectacular own-goal by Cardiff council"

Which is in effect the second "assumption" I listed. You say you don't trust the council to build a replacement station. I've said thats a possibility - but one I think has a low probability attached to it. And, one where the risks associated with not progressing with the plan are at least as high (Central Square remaining an eyesore, lack of development, a bus station that isn't fit for purpose, etc).

Now we can disagree on those probabilities and on the cost-benefits. We clearly do. We can disagree on the special position your planning degree confers on you to talk about this. We do. That to me is all "fair game" in forums such as these.

What we don't need in civilised debate and discussion though is threats and attempted bullying and gagging. You might think its all fair game and very clever of you. But if its some kind of trolling or a wind-up, its not funny. If its for real, its sinister and reflects very poorly on you.

The issue is that this forum developed into a community where people met up - to discuss developments and economic issues in Cardiff. Of course, if people meet, if people become a community - their real identities become known. Now we have a situation where new people join, don't respect that, and instead try to threaten people while hiding behind their own anonymity. Theres just something depressing about that.

I've been posting on here and on the predecessor forum for just as long as you have. So I'm not "new" - but I was never a part of your tragic inner circle aka (I think) Forward Cardiff, or was it Cardiff First? Whatever, it was an utter failure.

Anyway, it is you that's trying to shut down my opinion. When have I said that you shouldn't post an opinion?

Don't worry. I won't quote you in my article. If you want to give a quote on anything pertaining to Wales, or even write an article, I'm sure that you know where to send it.

I'm glad to see the council's response to the scepticism and I genuinely hope that a new transport interchange is constructed in the near future.

Why do you take comfort in forward cardiff being a failure? It never really had an agenda, it was more a formal name for when forum members met and had a beer. Yes we did discuss development issues but by and large most appreciated we had lives to lead and being a lobby group was never going to happen as it took up far too much time (plus there was a lot of apathy from other forum members).

It doesn't matter, it was never an inner circle, there are plenty of posters from that time who never came along.

If I may be so bold as to say you often make valid points even if I do disagree with them but you do have a very confrontational style. There is no need for it.

My final point is your thinly veiled swipes at Cambo dai are pathetic. He is free to speak his mind and does so with reasoned analysis devoid of emotion or hyperbole. Your words indicate you would like to cite him in articles as if to discredit him or harm him in some way in the future. You write for daily Wales which is to be comended as you're getting out there but try and appreciate not everyone shares your view.

You're a plaid supporter - have you thought that you may put off floating voters with your style and thus do your cause more harm than good?

Just in case any folk don't realise it,you can't actually walk out of the train station and straight through to the bus station because there's a 5 foot bespoke metal fence in the way. One has to walk to the right and (depending upon which rank you want) walk the length of, erm Marland House, before you then take a left to access the bit of the bus station that you want. The walking distance therefore wouldn't be any different even if the station was relocated under Marland House.Just saying

Just in case any folk don't realise it,you can't actually walk out of the train station and straight through to the bus station because there's a 5 foot bespoke metal fence in the way. One has to walk to the right and (depending upon which rank you want) walk the length of, erm Marland House, before you then take a left to access the bit of the bus station that you want. The walking distance therefore wouldn't be any different even if the station was relocated under Marland House.Just saying

Ha! That's a good point. That pretty much negates all the opposition of the bus station relocation...