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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostFri Mar 11, 2016 10:07 am

Lyndon wrote:This is excellent news, and I hope the Charles Street project is approved in the next couple of months too.

Iona Gordon really is beyond a joke, why did she want to be on the planning committee if she is opposed to virtually all development? The sooner the Riverside ward returns to Plaid Cymru the better ;)

Strange attitude again. Of course the very place she would want to be with those feelings is on the planning committee.
I don't know what people's problems are here. We might disagree with the Luddite attitude and legitimately call her on it, but her views do represent a significant portion of the electorate, and it's fine to have them heard. This proposal was always going to pass approval comfortably. What is your probably with a few dissenting voices? Unanimity isn't necessary. Would you propose filling the planning committee with a bunch of cronies with a single mind. That's not the role of councils' committees.
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostFri Mar 11, 2016 10:17 am

The problem from my perspective is not that there is a dissenting voice but rather a complete lack of engagement with the relevant issues. You would expect that a member of the planning committee would understand the planning process and the statutory framework that underpins it. From the objections raised it would appear that this councillor either doesn't understand it or has wilfully chosen to ignore it and has raised irrelevant objections based on personal preference. For me it underlines a concern I have about the quality of elected represntatives in Cardiff/Wales.
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostFri Mar 11, 2016 10:37 am

Simon__200 wrote:
Lyndon wrote:This is excellent news, and I hope the Charles Street project is approved in the next couple of months too.

Iona Gordon really is beyond a joke, why did she want to be on the planning committee if she is opposed to virtually all development? The sooner the Riverside ward returns to Plaid Cymru the better ;)

Strange attitude again. Of course the very place she would want to be with those feelings is on the planning committee.
I don't know what people's problems are here. We might disagree with the Luddite attitude and legitimately call her on it, but her views do represent a significant portion of the electorate, and it's fine to have them heard. This proposal was always going to pass approval comfortably. What is your probably with a few dissenting voices? Unanimity isn't necessary. Would you propose filling the planning committee with a bunch of cronies with a single mind. That's not the role of councils' committees.


You seem to have judged the situation wrong. It's not the fact she doesn't like tall buildings. That's just a personal opinion. If you had watched the webcast you would have seen her try everything in her power to not only stop this development, but stop any future development of a tower of any kind. This level of bias does not allow the planning committee to have a proper discussion on the individual applications presented to them, as there will always be one councillor against the plans, regardless of the benefits the application brings.

On the other hand, yes, it's also bad for the committee to be the complete opposite and approve any tower just because it's over 100m, but this is not the case and wasn't part of this discussion. Garry Hunt spoke out in favour of tall buildings, that's true. However, he also mentioned that he didn't want student accommodation creeping into the centre - tower or no tower. So he actually judged the individual application. Iona Gordon did not. She threw it out solely because it is a tower.

It's not just us that are concerned either, the chair didn't seem very happy with her.

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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostFri Mar 11, 2016 12:24 pm

Simon__200 wrote:
Lyndon wrote:This is excellent news, and I hope the Charles Street project is approved in the next couple of months too.

Iona Gordon really is beyond a joke, why did she want to be on the planning committee if she is opposed to virtually all development? The sooner the Riverside ward returns to Plaid Cymru the better ;)

Strange attitude again. Of course the very place she would want to be with those feelings is on the planning committee.
I don't know what people's problems are here. We might disagree with the Luddite attitude and legitimately call her on it, but her views do represent a significant portion of the electorate, and it's fine to have them heard. This proposal was always going to pass approval comfortably. What is your probably with a few dissenting voices? Unanimity isn't necessary. Would you propose filling the planning committee with a bunch of cronies with a single mind. That's not the role of councils' committees.

i would expect a councillor to know that you can't see town from Thompson's park. i would also expect a councilor to know the council has a tall buildings policy and that the obvious place for this is town.
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostFri Mar 11, 2016 1:11 pm

As an active member of Plaid in Riverside for decades, I know Iona Gordon. Labour were desperate to win seats back from Plaid and Iona was the first of their new batch. Personally, I don't like her, she has failed to resolve issues of waste collection with a company that I'm a director of.

She is obsessed with cycling - she is involved with the commendable pedal power - and an opponent of the car.

The issue with the co op in Pontcanna was that the company claimed in a public meeting that their shop would generate no traffic, which was plainly ludicrous, but the junction of kings rd and severn grove has actually been improved by the simple provision of parking spaces and the extension of double yellow lines.

A lot of local opposition was initially about losing the dairy building and the proposal to erect flats above a shop in a new building, which was clearly overdevelopment for that site. Thankfully we now have the best of both worlds, a great new shop and the old building retained.

Cllr Gordon is principled but I agree that she's a Luddite when it comes to development. I wouldn't hold your breath though, Lyndon, for a Plaid return in Riverside as we have lost one key person and there is considerable division within the party in the ward.
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostFri Mar 11, 2016 2:55 pm

Cen wrote:
You seem to have judged the situation wrong. It's not the fact she doesn't like tall buildings. That's just a personal opinion. If you had watched the webcast you would have seen her try everything in her power to not only stop this development, but stop any future development of a tower of any kind. This level of bias does not allow the planning committee to have a proper discussion on the individual applications presented to them, as there will always be one councillor against the plans, regardless of the benefits the application brings.



This sums up Cllr. Gordon pretty well. It really is worth watching the webcast to see how ridiculous and disruptive her conduct was. She simply spewed out any argument she could think of against the development - without providing grounds for any of them. For example this was her verbatim "what do you think its like for a student to live like sort of battery chickens in um an um I think um it's such an aggressive type if situation, I think, piled up like this like small little spaces for common use so I think it's not fair situation to offer our future students this kind of accommodation."

That's not a comment or an argument it's an un-grounded assertion.
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostWed Apr 20, 2016 10:10 pm

Does anybody know if this is a definate ?
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostWed Apr 20, 2016 10:28 pm

AlwaysBeBlue wrote:Does anybody know if this is a definate ?

Watkin Jones are doing very, very well so I'd imagine both towers are pretty safe bets now.
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostWed Apr 20, 2016 10:32 pm

Cen wrote:
AlwaysBeBlue wrote:Does anybody know if this is a definate ?

Watkin Jones are doing very, very well so I'd imagine both towers are pretty safe bets now.


Good news.. Cheers
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostMon Jun 13, 2016 6:54 pm

This should have started by now ?
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