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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 9:46 pm

I'm very excited about these towers happening but they are babies on the international stage.

They'll send a signal that Cardiff is growing sure, but I don't see anything other than media coverage
locally where they think a 15 floor building is a skyscraper and maybe industry magazines. How many towers above 30 floors
do other regional cities in the UK have?

Still, as a skysxraper geek I'm very excited.
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostTue Feb 28, 2017 9:59 pm

From memory, a tower needs to be 150m to be considered a "skyscraper" these days. It's 300m and above for a "super-tall building".
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostWed Mar 01, 2017 2:41 pm

Kyle wrote:I'm very excited about these towers happening but they are babies on the international stage.

They'll send a signal that Cardiff is growing sure, but I don't see anything other than media coverage
locally where they think a 15 floor building is a skyscraper and maybe industry magazines. How many towers above 30 floors
do other regional cities in the UK have?

Still, as a skysxraper geek I'm very excited.


3 cities outside London have a 30 storey skyscraper. Manchester, Leeds & Birmingham
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostSat Mar 11, 2017 12:07 am

moyceyyy wrote:
Kyle wrote:I'm very excited about these towers happening but they are babies on the international stage.

They'll send a signal that Cardiff is growing sure, but I don't see anything other than media coverage
locally where they think a 15 floor building is a skyscraper and maybe industry magazines. How many towers above 30 floors
do other regional cities in the UK have?

Still, as a skysxraper geek I'm very excited.


3 cities outside London have a 30 storey skyscraper. Manchester, Leeds & Birmingham


And relatively soon, Cardiff will be another city with a 30+ storey tower!

There are a few design variations currently under consideration and the client is quite keen to get this project moving forward again. I do have a date for the commencement of piling, but I won't post that date as I think it's overly optimistic and won't be achieved (mainly because external parties need to be satisfied).

Will continue to post updates when I can.
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostSat Mar 11, 2017 12:25 am

Im glad theres still initiative for this. I really wanna see this one built. A few design variations hmm.. Is it still dark in colour?

But yeah I'm glad theres still dates being considered for piling, It does show that this is a very real development.
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostSat Mar 11, 2017 8:37 am

Peiriannydd wrote:
moyceyyy wrote:
Kyle wrote:I'm very excited about these towers happening but they are babies on the international stage.

They'll send a signal that Cardiff is growing sure, but I don't see anything other than media coverage
locally where they think a 15 floor building is a skyscraper and maybe industry magazines. How many towers above 30 floors
do other regional cities in the UK have?

Still, as a skysxraper geek I'm very excited.


3 cities outside London have a 30 storey skyscraper. Manchester, Leeds & Birmingham


And relatively soon, Cardiff will be another city with a 30+ storey tower!

There are a few design variations currently under consideration and the client is quite keen to get this project moving forward again. I do have a date for the commencement of piling, but I won't post that date as I think it's overly optimistic
and won't be achieved (mainly because external parties need to be satisfied).

Will continue to post updates when I can.

30+ story tower, is that a hint of a reduction in height?
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostSat Mar 11, 2017 9:02 am

If it's of the quality it appears to have been previously who seriously cares? It's still going to be bloody tall (of that's what you like) bit of course student accommodation...
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostSat Mar 11, 2017 10:04 am

Philnpt wrote:30+ story tower, is that a hint of a reduction in height?

I think he was just referring to the "towers above 30 storeys" comments, not hinting. I don't think tower height was ever an issue with any of the objections. Once it gets beyond 30 storeys it's pretty irrelevant how much taller it is when it comes to the effects on neighbouring areas. I seem to remember the council actually told them to go higher for this? But who knows, maybe the developers themselves have reasons to decrease height.

It's good to hear there's life in this again!
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostSat Mar 11, 2017 10:06 am

From memory, a tower needs to be 150m to be considered a "skyscraper" these days. It's 300m and above for a "super-tall building".


The "official" definition is:

A Skyscraper: A high rise building that is used for habitable purposes may considered to be called a Skyscraper if any THREE of the following conditions are met, a Super Tall Building requires ALL conditions to be met:

1. Its height is more than 40 London double decker bus high.

2. Its roof touches the clouds.

3. The water in an Olympic sized swimming can emptied from the top floor and doesn't reach the ground before the pool has run dry

4. 1% of the people of Wales (or 0.25% people of Belgium) when standing on each others shoulders couldn't clean all the windows safely.

5. An average person's neck will become strained if looking at the top of the building from 7 football pitch lengths away.

6. 100 giraffes, or 50 African elephants standing on top of each other couldn't graze off the roof garden, when standing at street level.

7. It is used in local media file footage to indicate how important the local city has become.

8. The construction firm has to re-finance at least once during the building phase.

9. A cheese sandwich when dropped off the roof will destroy anything it hits on the ground

10. The planning enquiry takes longer than does the construction.
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Re: New tower of glass opposit the golden cross

PostSat Mar 11, 2017 12:39 pm

Cen wrote:
Philnpt wrote:30+ story tower, is that a hint of a reduction in height?

I think he was just referring to the "towers above 30 storeys" comments, not hinting. I don't think tower height was ever an issue with any of the objections. Once it gets beyond 30 storeys it's pretty irrelevant how much taller it is when it comes to the effects on neighbouring areas. I seem to remember the council actually told them to go higher for this? But who knows, maybe the developers themselves have reasons to decrease height.

It's good to hear there's life in this again!



There won't be any significant reduction in height. Possibly 10m at the most, but that's unlikely. At the moment the floor-to-floor height is 3m (the same as it originally was on Bridge St). It's just a question of whether the Client wants to:
a) Reduce the floor-to-floor height to save on materials (but keep the same number of floors);
b) Reduce the floor-to-floor height to provide extra floors within the same overal building height;
c) Leave things as they are.

There are other things under consideration as well. Ultimately the scheme has to be profitable.

Yes, the council were actually quite keen to push the height of this one. The very first concept design for this tower was quite short. Then it was developed to about 30 storeys and following discussions with local authorities, it was decided to do something serious and make a statement.
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