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Far be it for me to speak on his behalf, but I think his point is that the process of standardisation is flawed / skewed. There was a perfectly good spelling, which had to be modified to suit Welsh PC notions from on high.

I think you will find that Llandaf was Llandaf before it was Llandaff.

Conversely, Cardiff is more correct than Caerdydd:

Caerdaf (fort on the Taf), became Caerdyf over time. It was then anglicised to Cardiff and stopped there, whilst the Welsh changed to Caerdydd.

There are examples of this all over Wales, and some in the opposite direction:

The Hill > Yr Hill > Y Rhyl.

So, unless you actually know much about the etymology of place names in Wales, I'd recommend that you keep quiet.

Wish I hadn't posted it now....

Again, you've missed the point. Of course etymologies can be diverse, and every European proper name will have seen some variation over the years. But the key here is Llandaff is a widely recognised standard spelling, especially within local communities. The objection is to the process of renaming. So in this case, my knowledge of etymological Welsh obscurities is neither here nor there.....you really need to answer the question that Zach posed in the first place. Why was it necessary / was it a waste of time / was it brought about by an overbearing sense of Welsh PC. To be able to close this debate, you really need to address that question, not the one you think you heard, or would like to respond to.

Now kindly fuck off you gaping, petulant cunt.

Exhibit number 4 m'lord.

To a simple question why the station was chosen to be the 'Welsh' spelling of Llandaff which did not seem to exist a few years ago. Nor can you even find any examples of the one 'F' spelling other than on both signs.
I reckon it will take about a week before somebody writes another F on that sign!

Matthew have a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and ask is this the example that Welsh advocates should set, I just feel a real sense pity for you.

Zach, all railway stations in mainland Britain have standardised spellings.

How does this work then?

Llandaf and Llandaff are both correct in writing and pronunciation.

For the reasons why Llandaf was chosen for the railway station name, you'll have to ask the railway people. Technically, the station is in Llandaf North which is a different area.

Zach, take a long hard look at yourself. A sad monoglot, ignorant twat with nothing better to do than troll urban design forums with your hatred of all things Welsh. Grow up.

Again, you've missed the point. Of course etymologies can be diverse, and every European proper name will have seen some variation over the years. But the key here is Llandaff is a widely recognised standard spelling, especially within local communities. The objection is to the process of renaming. So in this case, my knowledge of etymological Welsh obscurities is neither here nor there.....you really need to answer the question that Zach posed in the first place. Why was it necessary / was it a waste of time / was it brought about by an overbearing sense of Welsh PC. To be able to close this debate, you really need to address that question, not the one you think you heard, or would like to respond to.

Zach refers specifically to the railway station and as I explained above, I don't know.

There are countless, and mostly pointless ways of spelling places in Wales

Cricieth/Criccieth
Merthyr Tudful/Tydfil
Caerffili/Caerphilly

Unless a place name has two different names that have developed separately such as Swansea/Abertawe or Ynys Môn/Anglesey my personal opinion is that it should almost always revert to the original place name for consistency. Niwbwrch would then become Newborough and Biwmares would become Beaumaris, so it's not always a case of the anglicised version reverting to the Welsh.

For me, it's Llandaf, because the name of the river is the Taf. When the English printing press came to Wales, it used an English typeset, and as K and V were used far more in Welsh than in English, they had to change K to C and V to F and F to FF in Welsh, and so we lost those letters in our alphabet, and so cartographers in the 17th century essentially invented place names using English phonetics. Aberdovey for Aberdyfi and Llandovery for Llanymddyfri etc.

Anyone who says or spells it Llandaff is not wrong, but I would never say 'Landaff' verbally as I'm not a native English speaker.

Can the language fanatics please move to the language thread and leave this one for us transport fanatics..

Thanks/Diolch

On the subject of the new signpost is this some sort of trial....or is the branding now being rolled out?

ps I like it a lot...It looks clean and modern....unlike the grubby trains

The station has been called Llandaf since 1980, so any discussion of this is 37 years out of date.

As for the branding, it seems to be the a start of a rollout at least at stations undergoing work. Radyr's getting it too.